191.19

John Deere 191.19 – TIA, UIC, CCU, ECM: Incorrect CAN BUS Message: Transmission Output Speed

Issue description

A CAN BUS message related to transmission speed from the Cab Module (TIA) is missing on the Power Train CAN BUS. This indicates a communication breakdown between the Cab Module and the other control units on the Power Train network. When a primary controller fails to receive this expected data, it logs a fault code, which can lead to symptoms ranging from warning lights to the machine ceasing to operate.

Applies to these machines

  • 6110M
  • 6120M
  • 6130M
  • 6145M
  • 6155M
  • 6175M
  • 6195M
  • 6110R
  • 6120R
  • 6130R
  • 6145R
  • 6155R
  • 6175R
  • 6195R
  • 6215R
  • 6230
  • 6330
  • 6430
  • 6090MC
  • 6090RC
  • 6100MC
  • 6100RC
  • 6110MC
  • 6110RC
  • 9470RT
  • 9520RT
  • 9570RT

Check the cause

  1. Diagnose TCU Faults First: Use a diagnostic scan tool to read the codes stored directly in the TCU. Look for a specific sensor-level code (e.g., open circuit, short to ground) that takes priority over the CAN communication code.

  2. Inspect Sensor Connections: Check the wiring and connections at the Transmission Output Speed Sensor and the TCU. Look for loose, corroded, or damaged pins.

  3. Verify CAN BUS Communication: Inspect the CAN BUS network for proper termination resistance (typically 60 ohms across CAN High and CAN Low with the battery disconnected) to ensure the network itself isn't dropping packets.

Repair steps

  1. Locate the Sensor

    Identify the Transmission Output Speed Sensor on the transmission housing.

  2. Test the Wiring Harness

    Disconnect the sensor and use a multimeter to check the harness back to the TCU for continuity, shorts to ground, or shorts to battery voltage.

  3. Replace the Sensor

    If the wiring is intact and the TCU is outputting the correct reference voltage, the Transmission Output Speed Sensor has likely failed internally and must be replaced.

  4. Inspect the TCU

    If a new sensor does not resolve the issue, inspect the TCU for internal faults or water ingress. Replace the TCU if it is found to be faulty.

  5. Software Update

    Ensure the TCU and TIA/UIC software are flashed to the latest versions to prevent CAN BUS message compatibility issues.

  6. Clear Codes

    Clear the codes from the TIA/UIC and TCU, then test drive the machine to verify the transmission output speed registers on the live data/dash.

Parts you might need

(12)
  • Interchangeable with AL75653 for 5E/6 series tractors

  • Interchangeable with AL204621 for 5E/6 series tractors

  • Transmission Output Speed Sensor

    AL162765

    For Autopower transmissions

  • For Autopower transmissions

  • For larger 8R series tractors

  • For larger 8R series tractors

  • Transmission Output Speed Sensor

    TTZF210361

    For construction/forestry equipment

  • Transmission Control Unit (TCU)

    Generic part name; part number is highly specific to the machine's VIN/Serial.

  • Potential OEM part number. Must verify exact fitment using the machine's serial number in the parts catalog.

  • Potential OEM part number. Must verify exact fitment using the machine's serial number in the parts catalog.

  • Potential OEM part number. Must verify exact fitment using the machine's serial number in the parts catalog.

  • Cab Switch Module

    RE332635

    Potential OEM part number. Must verify exact fitment using the machine's serial number in the parts catalog.

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